WE ARE THE VANGUARD

By Maxjulian

April 7, 2007

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Pardon my free association:

I was just reading a little teeny bit about the Francis Holland/Daily Kos tete a tete; the brother was banished from a white liberal/progressive website for ‘blogging while black.’

Lani Guinier called us “The Miner’s Canary.” We are the ones who continually notify this culture of its poisonous, hypocritical atmosphere. But, most white folks don’t want to hear about that, thus they tend to ban brothas and sistas for bringing too much heat, aka, Tha Truth!

Marimba Ani’s classic treatment (“Yurugu”) of the root of this problem is in her chapter called “Hypocrisy As A Way of Life.” Part of our job as black people is to decode the rampant hypocrisy endemic to this culture. Our task is to decode the Big Lie. The BL is the culture itself, how it functions/operates, the principles THEY claim it was founded on/versus the cannibalistic relations between black people and Native people and Mexican and Puerto Rican, between non-whites and whites.

We are the ones who SEE clearly what is before us; the only time our vision becomes cloudy is when we defer to them, entreat them, get caught up in making them open their hearts/heads to us, when it is their souls that have been poisoned by the DU of racism/white supremacy. They are, according to my dear friend, LA, so often CHILDREN. We are perpetually there spiritual nannies and mammies – if we choose to be.

Dr. Francis Cress Welsing says very simply that people who by, word and mainly by deed, say to us “I’m superior, I’m superior, I’m superior” like a mantra, are in fact letting the world know that they feel inferior. Terribly inferior.

This inferiority complex is projected onto the “Other” who they are jealous of, yet who they constantly imitate, steal and appropriate from. Asa recently pointed out how whites make writing and/or speaking careers out of documenting the pathology they inflicted us; they become the darlings of other liberal whites for taking on US.

In a million and one ways, they try to out-dick the black man – white folks’ mortal enemy – by building phallic weapons systems and ejaculating them onto red, brown and black cultures worldwide.

To seek privileges from white bloggers, to seek their acceptance is counter productive and counter-revolutionary. I’ve done this repeatedly myself.

Let them come to us. They already do anyway, as they study us like caged rats. As we build our power, our networks, our analysis of what ails us, as we use the “AfroSpear” to cure our affliction, those whites who are not completely ruined by R/WS and who can be of some aid will come running. For the truth.

Whites know how hypocritical their culture is and there are a precious few who know who is talking “truth” talk. We need to make sure we are constantly immersed in OUR truth as black, brown, red and yellow people.

We must constantly purge this need to be white folks’ sidekick, butler or tutor. Fuck DAT!! We, by necessity, will always need to educate whites about our struggle and about the world as we see it – let it be from a ‘take it or leave it stance.’ If they don’t want the castor oil, that’s more time for us to build OUR thing.

We ARE the vanguard. Let’s walk it!

17 Responses to “WE ARE THE VANGUARD”

  1. This is what I wrote to FrancisHolland about this issue:

    Count me among those who want the Black Blogosphere to build up itself. I just think if we harness our power, then it’ll be better for the blogosphere at large.

    I understand your arguments Francis. I really do. But, when I read your stuff, I’m reminded of a close friend of mine when she comes across an ignorant White person. Her response in a nutshell?

    ” I’m NOT your teacher. I’m not here to teach you anything. If you’re this old, and this ignorant and stupid, that’s too damn bad. You’re a grown ass person, and you should feel ashamed that you’re clueless about Black people. I don’t have the patience to teach grown folks. You wilfully wallowed in your ignorance because you felt you could because of White arrogance. But, this Negro isn’t going to let you skate by on willful ignorance.”

    You want to ‘ teach’. I go back and forth, depending upon situation, as to whether I want to ‘ teach’. But, when it comes to the Black Blogosphere, I have no interested in ‘ teaching’.

    I stand by what I wrote. When it comes to the Black Blogosphere, ‘ teaching ‘ is out for me – cause it’s a waste of OUR time.

  2. Rikyrah, I saw what you wrote previously and agree wholeheartedly.

  3. This here is powerful rhetoric, and stems from righteous indignation, and so I am leery about disagreeing with it. My hope is that when you read what I am about to say, that you do so with an open heart, and a forgiving mind, as otherwise it could easily be mistaken for the foolish philosophies of just one more idealistic realist.

    As our society pro(RE)gresses into the near future, despite the persistence of deep seeded racial discrimination, it begins to feel more and more that *our struggle is one of class. The analogy of the caged rat curiosity seems to me applicable to all manner of man who finds himself outside the circle, the “norm.” Certainly some more so than others.

    It does not take racial or ethnic prejudice to limit the opportunities available to, or increase the volume of hate towards our fellow man. when we find ourselves at such a point in history that we have religion “A” condemning religion “B,” (the very institutions that are designed to teach tolerance) we have a systemic failure of cultural values, and a total disconnect as to what our priorities need to be.

    I know that to some people, there are separations between cultures. Black / white, so on, so forth, but it is so much murkier then that. Who hasn’t heard, or experienced first hand, the peer segregation that certain members of the black community subject each other too, based on one group being darker or lighter than the other? Or the terrible way that certain white minorities treat each other, in certain neighborhoods, based on nothing more than the country their great grandparents immigrated from 100+ years ago?

    I truly understand the necessity to categorize, but only to a degree. When it becomes so prevalent as to dominate the way we think, and shape our identities, at that point it has gone too far. I would argue that this is just as responsible for the continuation of racist propaganda as any other factor.

    The main obstacle at this time seems to be that no one wants to shed the labels. No one. I mean, what is a white blogger? A black blogger? Is there actually a distinction? 99% of the time, unless a picture is provided I cannot tell you whether I am reading a male or female, or what their ethnic background may or may not be. The few times that I have tried, once I get to know the person, I realize I am always wrong… which brings me to the theory of: why even go there?

    In order for revolution to be possible, we need to approach this in a much wider scope than most of us have dreamed of. We are operating inside fixed parameters, boundaries set by the current system. We need to completely reinvent the system, doing away with all it’s former components. So long as anything remains that reminds us of the old ways, we will continue to make damaging distinctions designed to display our differences.

  4. Dave, I have read your comments. I attempt to read everything I read, with an open heart, open mind and most importantly a forgiving mind.

    You mentioned American society pro(RE)gresses into the near future, despite the persistence of deep seeded racial discrimination.

    My thought is America pro(RE)gresses into the near future, despite the persistence of deep seeded racism, bigotry, hatred, and discrimination.

    You write that it “begins to feel more and more that *our struggle is one of class”

    Well black Americans have not just “begun to feel” more and more that our struggle is one of class, Black folks for hundreds of years in this country “have experienced” all of what you attempt to explain. Caste, class and race have been at play for hundreds of years in this country, it’s not something just “beginning.”

    You write that you know that “to some people, there are separations between cultures.”

    With all due respect, what country are you living in? Are you in America right now? A majority of public schools in America have been re-segregated, the majority of housing in America is segregated, and as Martin Luther King once said, 11 a.m. Sunday morning is the most segregated time in America – It still is today. I have not even talked about heath services, and the fact the AIDS is killing black America. While a seperated, segregated society sits back and talks about the needs of middle class white America. Don’t get me started. Let’s not talk about the number of black children and black adults in prison, dont’ get me started.

    You made a comment about who hasn’t heard, or experienced first hand, the peer segregation that certain members of the black community subject each other too, based on one group being darker or lighter than the other?

    Well sir I understand the historical context of the reasons why. Do You? Let’ us not go there. I’m going to be watching “roots” on TV1 I don’t need to go through that issue with you. Nor should we.

    Ok, and on your point on the terrible way that certain white minorities treat each other, in certain neighborhoods, based on nothing more than the country their great grandparents immigrated from 100+ years ago?

    Dave, the facts are wrong. Which migration period are you talking about. The great Italian migration, German migration, Irish migration? Those migrations? your date is incorrect.

    Candidly, that situation is not part of most African American issues. It appears that immigrants came together, North South, East and West to oppress some Black Folk, Native Americans and other peoples of color. So, am I supposed to feel bad, if they fought each-other for the jobs that we couldnot get due to slavery, Jim Crow, segregation and defacto segregation?

    Your racist propaganda argument is moot.

    You noted that the main obstacle at this time seems to be that no one wants to shed the labels.

    I think it is the other way around. The main obstacle for a collective coming together is that people are labeled.

    You asked a basic and somewhat simple question,

    What is a white blogger?

    Answer: A person who identifies themselves on their drivers license as white and is blogger.

    What is a black blogger?

    Answer: A person who identifies themselves on their driver’s license or state ID as black or African American (depending on the state) and is a blogger.

    A black blogger? Is there actually a distinction?

    Answer: Yes, of course, just because the person usually is not seen at the keyboard, they are still white, black, Latino, native American, Etc.

    You write 99% of the time, unless a picture is provided you cannot tell whether you’re reading a male or female, or what their ethnic background may or may not be.

    As an educator and one who communicates with people everyday through written communication “I can”

    I wrote the few times you tried, but you were always wrong – oops. I cannot say that about myself.

    I agree, in order the constructive change to occur we need to approach this in a much wider scope than most of us have dreamed of. We are operating inside fixed parameters, boundaries set by the current system.

    I have heard the revolutionary talk before.

    Your words are great. I have heard them many times over, fixed parameters, boundaries set by the current system. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I rather not hear the words I rather see the deeds.

    White progressive bloggers can support issues important to African Americans, and progressive African American bloggers can and have supported causes and issues important to white Americans.

    It will be great to work together. Yet, I’m going to refer back to Malcolm X, when he said, “white liberals, who have been posing as our friends, have failed us.”

    I can look at the DailyKos and Netroots and other organizations and agree with Malcolm today.

    I can also agree with Malcolm X when he said “whites need to stop trying to pretend everything is equal and jolly.”

    Rikyrah and the Free Slave are right.

  5. “We are the ones who SEE clearly what is before us; the only time our vision becomes cloudy is when we defer to them, entreat them, get caught up in making them open their hearts/heads to us, when it is their souls that have been poisoned by the DU of racism/white supremacy. ”
    That is too true. I become most confused and unhappy when I hang out with people who have a different view of the world and try to push their values and preferences on me. I start to wonder if my values and views are ‘correct’. I should really be thinking about how we think differently due to our different cultures and that I should not try to change myself.
    “We, by necessity, will always need to educate whites about our struggle and about the world as we see it – let it be from a ‘take it or leave it stance.’”
    I like that point too. Independence and self-sufficency will take care of us better than appealing to someone else to care and change.

  6. A.A.P.P. ,
    It feels to me that either I did not explain myself adequately, or, that you want to take my words out of context and refute everything I say, painting it to be some watered down version of a legitimate sentiment. For example, when I use the term “discrimination,” I do not do so lightly, it should be fully implied that ‘racism, hatred, and bigotry’ are components of the word. There is no need for you to define these concepts for me, unless you honestly believe that I do not understand them.

    In response to your statement that: “Caste, class and race have been at play for hundreds of years in this country, it’s not something just “beginning.” I fully agree. The point I was attempting to make is actually that as time ebbs on, more people are coming around to realizing that discrimination is an unhealthy practice, and realizing that we are all part of a greater struggle. My point here is that despite the presence of various struggles within groups / between groups, there is another fight that we as Americans are beginning to be more aware of, and that is *our struggle. Whether you believe this or not is not something that can easily be proven through statistics, it is more or less something that you feel in your heart. Personally, it “feels” to me, that we are making progress in some areas involving discrimination, which begins to allow us all to focus on issues at a more macro level (if thats possible).

    “A majority of public schools in America have been re-segregated, the majority of housing in America is segregated, and as Martin Luther King once said, 11 a.m. Sunday morning is the most segregated time in America – It still is today.” -Indeed. This is another good point. However the question we need to ask ourselves is: How much of that segregation is de facto? While many millions of people are “stuck” through lack of social mobility, there are also those who are making a conscious decision to live in communities that are predominately a specific group. If everyone that lives in an area is of a specific ethnicity, then all the children in the schools will also be of that ethnicity. Are people not attending certain churches because they feel a pressure to not be there? Or are they attending certain churches because they feel that they identify more with the preacher / congregation? And if the latter were true, wouldn’t that still be choice? To be honest I don’t know a whole lot about the facts and statistics behind current levels of segregation, or the why’s behind it, but I do know that de facto segregation exists, and that makes it even more difficult to form a clear impression.

    When I asked what is a black or white blogger, this was a rhetorical question. In my mind there is no difference, save for the issues that certain people choose to blog about, and the individual perspectives that people bring to the communication, which are of course unique. We could even change the question to read “Does it matter if a blogger is black or white?” From what I gather, it does to certain groups / people. To me, it doesn’t, so I cannot help but wonder what goes on inside the mind(s) of people to whom it does. Have you ever consciously chosen to not frequent a blog because the authors were red, purple or green? Or did you chose to stop reading it because the writing was not so good, and the issues were weak?

    “I rather not hear the words I rather see the deeds.” – Agreed, but this is the blogosphere, all we really have here is our words. We can only hope and pray and trust that people walk the talk in their own lives outside of this digital divide. In my own life, the front line of this struggle made itself very clear eight years ago when my daughter was born.

    “I’m going to refer back to Malcolm X, when he said, “white liberals, who have been posing as our friends, have failed us.”” – No doubt about it. We could also point to King’s letter written during his time in the Birmingham Jail. He writes that he has been most let down by the Christian and Catholic congregations of all denominations. How in their dire time of need the church was fearful and completely unwilling to help the desegregation movement aside from a few noteworthy individuals. The church itself, the institution, utterly failed to follow their own teachings in one of histories most critical opportunities to “do the right thing.” Brothers under God, brothers of nothing. We could go back further and point out where Fredrick Douglas writes that though the abolitionists and the suffragettes had discussed joining forces for a greater cause, in the end, they chose to keep their struggles separate, fearing that by joining forces they would draw attention away from the individual issues.

    For many, that same fear persists today. How can we unify our various battles and draw strength from each other, without diminishing the essence and focus of the smaller battles that would still exists inside of the greater whole?

    Believe me, the irony is not lost on me that I ask these sort of questions, and point out problems, but yet, offer no solutions. And yeah, this is just writing, just words, it doesn’t change or help anything. I guess for me, on some level it is therapeutic to release these ideas, whether through blogging, writing or just talking, cause it’s to the pit that they are eating me up. So please, I am not trying to sound educated, and I am not spending a lot of time crafting my presentation so that it stands up to high levels of scrutiny. I am sure my dates are very wrong, and much of what I say, the way that I say it, is easy to misinterpret or rip apart, and thats good I suppose, because it allows this dialog to continue, and helps me to clarify within my own mind what precisely is it that I am trying to say.

  7. This here is powerful rhetoric, and stems from righteous indignation, and so I am leery about disagreeing with it. My hope is that when you read what I am about to say, that you do so with an open heart, and a forgiving mind, as otherwise it could easily be mistaken for the foolish philosophies of just one more idealistic realist.

    Why are we obligated to look at your words with a forgiving mind? Do you burden everyone else with this same obligation, or just black people?

    As our society pro(RE)gresses into the near future, despite the persistence of deep seeded racial discrimination, it begins to feel more and more that *our struggle is one of class. The analogy of the caged rat curiosity seems to me applicable to all manner of man who finds himself outside the circle, the “norm.” Certainly some more so than others.

    It does not take racial or ethnic prejudice to limit the opportunities available to, or increase the volume of hate towards our fellow man. when we find ourselves at such a point in history that we have religion “A” condemning religion “B,” (the very institutions that are designed to teach tolerance) we have a systemic failure of cultural values, and a total disconnect as to what our priorities need to be.

    No, it doesn’t take racial or ethnic prejudice. However, racial and ethnic prejudice is precisely at the core of the problem, and I think that you’re trying to subsume it under a larger topic of “class struggle” in order to attempt to keep people from discussing it.

    I also don’t think that many people here are going to buy into your efforts either.

    This is also something of a tangent, but I don’t buy into for a second the idea that religions are designed to teach tolerance. Examine the history of organized religion with any depth and you’ll find a blood-stained tapestry that only really developed ‘tolerance’ when:

    1) Sects could unify to put someone else down instead of competing with each other.

    2) Power was taken away from it.

    That for brief periods, it accomplished something positive is more of the exception than the rule.

    I know that to some people, there are separations between cultures. Black / white, so on, so forth, but it is so much murkier then that. Who hasn’t heard, or experienced first hand, the peer segregation that certain members of the black community subject each other too, based on one group being darker or lighter than the other? Or the terrible way that certain white minorities treat each other, in certain neighborhoods, based on nothing more than the country their great grandparents immigrated from 100+ years ago?

    But there’s a significant difference here that you’re neglecting: namely that as badly as they might treat each other, they’re both still white. Meaning that along those lines, they’re still higher on the hierarchy than we are.

    I truly understand the necessity to categorize, but only to a degree. When it becomes so prevalent as to dominate the way we think, and shape our identities, at that point it has gone too far. I would argue that this is just as responsible for the continuation of racist propaganda as any other factor.

    A degree decided by who? You?

    What you are really arguing here is that the victims of white supremacy are responsible for it, instead of white people who have the power to perpetuate and enforce it.

    The main obstacle at this time seems to be that no one wants to shed the labels. No one. I mean, what is a white blogger? A black blogger? Is there actually a distinction? 99% of the time, unless a picture is provided I cannot tell you whether I am reading a male or female, or what their ethnic background may or may not be. The few times that I have tried, once I get to know the person, I realize I am always wrong… which brings me to the theory of: why even go there?

    Yes, there’s a distinction-in fact, I can tell fairly quickly what the differences are. Although it’d be an error for me to claim that there’s a universal consensus among black bloggers or white bloggers, I would say that as far as political blogs are concerned, I see the following perspectives that are tremendously more common among black bloggers than among white bloggers:

    1) As far as other black bloggers are concerned, there’s a much greater degree of skepticism towards the shouted, absurd, and self-promotional claims of American goodness in general. In comparison, white bloggers often assume that Bush and the total inefficacy of most ‘progressives’ in America are some kind of new diseases-instead of longstanding, and in many ways, worsening, conditions. In fact, even when they do acknowledging how badly they’re failing, they’re often so wrapped up in America that they’d prefer nihilism and ‘lifeboats’ to actually trying to think in any other terms except for America/white supremacy.

    2) Deeply related to 1), as far as other black bloggers are concerned, there’s a much greater degree of understanding for non-Americans that are under America’s heel-being under it ourselves. This relates deeply to 1), but most of the major white political blogs and message boards will seriously throw anyone out who points out the actions of Apartheid State 3.0 (aka Israel, which has a lot to do with America’s nature and behavior) using the excuse of anti-semitism, or anyone who gets a little bit too enthusiastic against the Democrats or generally criticizes America as a system, or for that matter, anyone who starts pointing out the massive and ever more glaring inconsistencies in the dogma of 9/11.

    3) In terms of verbal cues and such in writing styles, white bloggers often assume that their audience is also white as well, and possesses the same ‘shared history’ within American mythology.

    In order for revolution to be possible, we need to approach this in a much wider scope than most of us have dreamed of. We are operating inside fixed parameters, boundaries set by the current system. We need to completely reinvent the system, doing away with all it’s former components. So long as anything remains that reminds us of the old ways, we will continue to make damaging distinctions designed to display our differences.

    So in that way, anyone who points out that racism hasn’t actually disappeared with the course of action that you might be advocating can be labelled retrograde, and hence acting against the revolution.

  8. Visible Man, that is a great deal of food for thought you have given me. I was not aware that this is how my comments sounded. I will try and clarify my meaning on certain areas where somehow the true essence of my message has been misunderstood due to my failure to adequately explain, and the ideas being underdeveloped.

    “What you are really arguing here is that the victims of white supremacy are responsible for it, instead of white people who have the power to perpetuate and enforce it.”

    -Absolutely not. What I am arguing here is that when the labels applied to the black community, (and any community for that matter) are so prevalent, and so wide spread in their use that the members of those communities experience a feeling that those labels are shaping their identities, their self perceptions, this has gone too far. When we look at Sociology, a field composed predominantly of white males; and we examine many of the fallacies they have put forth through this pseudo-science, untruths and exaggerations that are still being taught today in every school in America, and students are forced to absorb these negative stereotypes and labels, and then integrate that line of thinking into their own lives, that has gone too far! What I am advocating here is that a white supremacist culture take a huge step away from their current levels of meddling, and allow groups to define themselves, and not try to categorize every little detail of everything through an inherently biased microscope. When I refer to labels perpetuating racist propaganda, it is in the sense that these groups are not being allowed to define themselves at a macro level, instead they are having labels applied to them by people who have no business do so. What I am trying to say is actually the exact opposite of how you chose to interprete it.

    “I think that you’re trying to subsume it under a larger topic of “class struggle” in order to attempt to keep people from discussing it.”

    -Again, not so. While it is true that my goal is to get people to try and see the value in unifying their struggles, it has never been my intention to discourage people from talking about any issue, especially not racism. What I am question at this point in time is why the same level of intensity that is applied to racial or ethnic inequality, is not also applied to social or class inequality. The more I chew on this idea, the more it becomes clear how difficult this issue is to properly explain, and how virtually impossible it is to discuss without someone reading too deeply into it.

    “I don’t buy into for a second the idea that religions are designed to teach tolerance.”

    -Unfortunately, no, not in the state that they are currently in. But when you take men like Jesus Christ or Martin Luther King, or the Prophet Mohammad, and view the historical actions of these men, and ask yourself what do you believe they felt was the purpose of religion…. it is a bit different than the actual manifestation of religion in today’s world. It is easy to fall into the argument that religion is a device used for social control, and as an aethiest, I would be one of the last people to ever argue that, but it has deeper meaning then that at it’s origin. And let’s agree here, there are not a whole lot of public institutions in our culture that even remotely come close to publicly advocating the levels of tolerance we need to achieve. I guess my sense is that through the works of great men, religion, throughout human history has at least tried to effect positive change, but even that now is broken.

    That is terrible what you have said here regarding the treatment of bloggers who dare to speak out on critical issues. I did not know there was such a level of condemnation. I prefer to avoid political blogs the same way in which I avoid watching CNN. I try and form my impressions of the world through books and conversations. But it sounds to me that what you are saying is that anyone who speaks out against the party, or tries to illuminate the hush hush issues is discriminated against by these other, uber political bloggers? How does this exclude “white bloggers” though? Is it that white bloggers for the most part don’t rock the boat so to speak? Sadly, it is not hard for me to imagine this to be the case. I know very few white people face to face that show any desire to confront substantial issues. Does this mean that if a person is speaking about, as you mentioned “Apartheid 3.0,” but they do not identify themselves as being a certain minority, you assume that they are that minority because of their choice of issue?

    “So in that way, anyone who points out that racism hasn’t actually disappeared with the course of action that you might be advocating can be labelled retrograde, and hence acting against the revolution.”

    – Not at all. What I am saying is that if we gather the army, everyone, with all our various battles, fights, issues, struggles… and put everyone together as a cohesive single group focused on all forms of change, the revolution will happen sooner, and be more effective. If you refer to my 2nd comment here, (not the first set from which you are pulling, but the next set), you will notice that I point out how Fredrick Douglas and {forgive me for not being able to recall her name} had the opportunity in the late 1800’s to unite the abolitionist and suffragette causes under a common banner, and after days of serious soul searching, bilaterally opted to keep separate, fearing that to unite would water down their individual causes. In my mind, this was a mistake.

    I am certain that when I say what I am about to say next, someone will read it, and take issue with it, but, oh well, maybe that is the point, to get people all fired up.

    People in general seem to feel like they have it harder than everyone else. Regardless of whether it’s some posh business exec that has stubbed his toe, or a bag lady who has just been raped. The selfish ego wants us to believe that we are the one who has it bad, and no one else can understand our troubles. Throw relativism out the window, because its a sad truth that most people out there cannot empathize, and refuse to believe therefore that anyone else can empathize. The attitude is, until you’ve walked a mile in my shoes, you don’t know me, you could never know me. So we tend to put people’s words into a prefab context, and because of the lack of para language in text, we automatically assume certain things about a person, and see what we want to see, and believe what we want to believe is true about what they are saying. When in actuality, they could very well be speaking from a position of completely innocent, empathetic, benevolence. All we see is just one more asshole who thinks they know, but they don’t know, and who the hell do they think they are trying to speak about things they couldn’t possibly understand? And so we hear them say things that they aren’t really saying, because hey, they could not possibly understand, and they certainly aren’t on my side.

  9. You know, I stepped away from the keyboard for a few, took a deep breath, and calmed my perspective. I want you all to know that I am not trying to troll with that last statement, and I am also not directing it at anyone in specific, it is more a sweeping incrimination of human nature born out of my frustration at being unable to communicate properly all this pent up anxiety I am experiencing in relation to our world as it currently exists.

  10. Dave… let me first recommend that you read ‘The Invisible Man” by Ralph Ellison.

    Second, I feel that you entered this discussion with good intentions. However meditate on this reality in the lives of those of us of African descent…. it’s a reshaping of a popular phrase: “The road of our continued hell is built on the good intentions of good white peoples”.

    Third, we no longer accept the guilt-laden responsibility of having to teach you, or expend the energy to assist you to understand anything anymore. Read “rikyrah” post above. Our efforts are focussed on our progression as a community, not on soothing the conscience of your pro(RE)gression of reality.

    Paradoxically, I feel yah working it out tho. Good luck.
    Asabagna

  11. Asabagna, thanks for being patient with me. There is so much that I am trying to understand, and want to learn. I also realize that it must be exhausting and annoying to constantly field the same type of answers to the same type of questions. I apologize for not being more sensitive to this. I also realize that in so many ways, white people ARE like children. I for one am looking towards thoughtful blogs such as this one to try and grow up.

    In the future I will try to not allow myself to get so caught up with my emotions, and not write such long comments. To be honest, things are at a boiling point for me in my life due to several factors, and this was really not an appropriate format.

    Adding that book to my list of must reads.

  12. FS, get outta my head.

    When I was in school, I was very fortunate to have a professor who taught us how to “debunk sham realities” and obtain clarity in any given situation. He considered this ability to be a necessary intellectual weapon in an environment where we are under constant psychological attack.

    I dib and dab in the white blogosphere, but for the most part I leave them to their illusions of egalitarianism and choose to engage in authentic discourse in the reality-based community of the AfroSphere.

  13. Sonya, I can’t help it.

  14. i may get many a dork point for asking this but… do you have a myspace? I can’t get enough of your blog! I need more freeslave!! 🙂 Thanks for sharing your wisdom.

  15. On this sixtieth anniversary of Jackie Robinson’s first game in Major League Baseball, I publish today at my blog an article entitled “The Enduring Importance of Firsts,” making an argument that breaking into new areas that were once off-limits to us is an important part of securing our place in America and establishing ourselves as equals.

    I first published this article at DailyKos with the title “Ending the White Male Monopoly of the Presidency,” and I was banned from participation at DailyKos a few days later. It seems that advocating for new firsts is not a very popular blogging topic at DailyKos. I’m not even sure the old “firsts” are very popular in the whitosphere.

  16. At my blog my recent post title is “Hello, my name is Dave and I am a cracker”.

    Indeed my name is Dave but my thinking is no where near the thinking of the Dave above.

    But I know the thinking only too well. They think because they don’t see color ( more than likely not bothering to look ) that they have solved a problem.

    They think in that simplistic act that they have created a utopian society and will debate blacks on its existance.

    Debate blacks? The only thing us whites need to do when being addressed by your issues ( we asked go fig ) is to have the DECENCY to shut the F**k up and listen.

    Do they? no! This Dave here has done the stock trade bit and the usual false laden dialogue. I have recently read from a fello white that everyone has unbounded opportunities to succeed regardless of race creed or religion.

    Sometimes I wouls surely like to know as well as one asked above, where do these people live.

    I would like to think that in this day and age what they believe is true. But I have a solid foot hold on reality. And it isn’t.

    And the likes of DailyKos and MoveOn, well they have moved on. Right into the blight of white american political thinking. In one aspect we may have one thing in common, we are all doomed.

    -=topper=-

  17. =topper=,
    I live in Haslett, Michigan. About 12 miles East of Lansing, and 70 miles West of Detroit. That specific enough for you? If you took the time to check out my blog, you could find that out for yourself.

    “At my blog my recent post title is ‘Hello, my name is Dave and I am a cracker’.”

    Should I commend you for being derogatory to yourself? I decided long ago that I would not refer to myself, or others with such terminology.

    “Indeed my name is Dave but my thinking is no where near the thinking of the Dave above.”

    Thanks for identifying yourself as an individual, would not want you to be mistaken as one of the thousands of “Dave” clones running rampant. 🙂

    “But I know the thinking only too well. They think because they don’t see color ( more than likely not bothering to look ) that they have solved a problem.”

    And why is it that I should “bother to look?” Will it change my opinion of a person, knowing what their ethnicity is? Will I lend a person special respect because I learn that they are something I am not? I don’t claim to believe I have solved any problems by trying to ignore race, all I want to do is not allow myself to be blinded by the sociologists rhetoric. They may be selling, but I’m not buying.

    You know =topper=, I don’t know if you are aware of this, but prior to the 1700’s there was no such thing as “black” and “white.” People did not think of, or refer to each other in these terms. Allow me to give a little back story here.

    When T. Jefferson helped to author the constitution, he said in three different places ‘all men are created equal.’ Many americans saw the hypocrisy in this, and asked “well if all men are created equal, then why are some being treated as slaves, and other having their ancestral homeland stolen from them?” In order to squelch public dissent, Andrew Jackson stated “this is a question for science to answer” and set about putting together a group of “scientists” whose job it was to answer the question: “why are men who are not european, inferior?” The problem with this is that the question itself was worded such that the only way it could be answered is by first acknowledging that yes, non-euro people were inferior. It was terribly flawed from the moment it was first asked. By the time these “scientists” were done hacking up humanity, they had not only invented a new science that they called “sociology,” but they also invented a new term called “race,” and they then labeled what they believed to be different “races.” Black White all the categories you see today.

    The concept of race identification was designed from day one to support oppression. I do not support concepts of oppression, so why should I support the tools of oppression, aka “race.” In my opinion, to view someone as having color, is in and of itself racist. Maybe everyone in the whole world will disagree with me, and say that I am naive or stupid. Oh well, they can take a number.

    “They think in that simplistic act that they have created a utopian society and will debate blacks on its existance.”

    Wrong, society is broken. There has never been a utopia, and there never will be.

    “Debate blacks? The only thing us whites need to do when being addressed by your issues ( we asked go fig ) is to have the DECENCY to shut the F**k up and listen.”

    I come here to learn. In order to learn, I state where my understanding / beliefs are currently at, and hope that by so doing, someone will be decent enough to take the time to either agree with me, or correct me. It’s give and take. I will never just sit somewhere and “shut the fuck up,” that is the equivalent of being dead. You think because a person speaks, they don’t know how to listen?

    “I would like to think that in this day and age what they believe is true. But I have a solid foot hold on reality. And it isn’t.”

    Speak for yourself, don’t try to speak for the whole world. No one’s understanding is limitless, not even your’s.

    “In one aspect we may have one thing in common, we are all doomed.”

    I don’t share your gloom and doom outlook, sorry. I believe there is always hope. And what are you saying “we” may have one thing in common? You comparing me and you? Or you going off on some bigoted tangent trying to say that “we” as in all humans only have one thing in common? Either way, might want to reel it in there, cause no way am I biting on that lure, doesn’t even look tasty.

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